"I thought human beings loved freedom over safety"

How has the role of media changed during the pandemic? What about the culture of debate? Is freedom of expression threatened? How neutral does journalism have to be anyway? Mathias Döpfner, CEO of Axel Springer SE, talks about these questions with the American journalist Bari Weiss in "WELT talks", a podcast of the German media brand WELT. Bari Weiss is one of the most outspoken journalists in the U.S. In 2020, she left the "New York Times" and described the environment of the paper as illiberal. For WELT, she writes as a columnist about political culture in the United States and freedom of opinion. You can listen to the conversation in this episode of "WELT talks". Production: Serdar Deniz Note: Mathias Döpfner is CEO of Axel Springer SE, which also owns WELT. Bari Weiss is a columnist for WELT.