4: Niall Ferguson on an escalating global conflagration

David Patrikarakos is joined by Niall Ferguson to discuss the latest events in the Middle East; why the US is irrelevant in the calculations of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netenyahu; and, how Israel is likely to retaliate against Iran. They also discuss the ‘Axis of Ill Will’ comprising China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea; why Ferguson believes that we are in the early stages of a second Cold War and the probability of this escalating into World War III; and whether the US will discover the true meaning of deterrence. Producer: Max Bower  Editor: Chelsey Ranore  Executive Producer: Bella Soames  Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini  Host: David Patrikarakos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices