478: Discovering the heart of innovation Part II – with Merrick Furst, PhD

How product managers can create products that customers cannot be indifferent to In episode 468, Dr. Merrick Furst introduced us to the discipline of deliberate innovation and how companies can create products customers absolutely must have. The purpose of this podcast is to help you create products your customers love. Products your customers must have takes this to a higher level. I asked Merrick to join us again so we can learn some of the tools for creating such products, which he also wrote about in the book The Heart of Innovation: A Field Guide for Navigating to Authentic Demand. These will be valuable tools to improve your work as a product professional. Dr. Merrick Furst, is a Distinguished Professor and the Director of the Center for Deliberate Innovation (CDI) at Georgia Tech. He has also founded numerous startups and in addition worked with hundreds of founders and innovators, helping them use the discipline of deliberate innovation. Listen to episode 468 for part 1 of this discussion. Summary of some concepts discussed for product managers [3:28] In episode 468, you introduced us to Deliberate Innovation and the concept of a not-not product. Please review for us what a not-not product is. We were trying to figure out how to help people make things that people would not be indifferent to. If they’re indifferent, that means that not buying is okay. They have other things they can do instead. When you’re building a product, you’re looking for a way to have authentic demand. The alternatives are just not okay, which means not buying it is not okay. As long as there are alternatives that are okay, you can’t be confident that people will buy your product. Often, when people think about products, they focus on what they think people need or want or the thing that will delight them. People might love your product, but if they have other options, what difference does it make if they love your product? To think more clearly as a product manager who is trying to help build something of value, it helps to think about not-not principles. What creates authentic demand is a situation in which not buying is not okay or not using the product is not okay for a customer. If you can train yourself to think in those terms, you start to see people and situations a little differently. If you make a product people are using, the alternatives are not being used. There is something not okay about them. Even though it’s obviously true that if someone could not buy, they’re not really a customer, people are not very comfortable asking a customer if it is okay for them to not buy the product. You need to know the answer because if it’s okay for them to not buy it, then you shouldn’t make it. People ask questions like, “Would it be helpful for you? Could you see yourself using it?” These are relatively useless questions. You need to know, “Is it okay for you to not use it?” [9:13] Help us learn about tools that lead to creating not-not products. As we talked after the last episode, you told me about the “Waking Dream.” What is that? We were working with innovators, product people, or founders who described to us why what they were doing was going to be meaningful to customers. We started to realize these people had an idea how the world worked that we call the Waking Dream. They’re living in some world where they think the know who...