208. Katie Herzog on Drinking Herself Sober, Being Canceled, and "Getting Free"

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit smokeempodcast.substack.comNancy and Sarah are joined by Katie Herzog, co-host of the Blocked and Reported podcast and author of an up-and-coming book on quitting booze, Drink Yourself Sober. They talk about getting canceled, navigating public backlash, and why Katie’s drinking tale is different from Sarah’s — she used Naltrexone, an opioid-blocker, to help quit. They discuss AA, the meaning of the word “alcoholic,” the nature of addiction, and why there’s no wrong way to get sober.Also on tap:* Jesse Singal, analyzed* If you walk into the online arena, expect to get gored* Helen Lewis, epic BARpod co-host* Dan Savage is brilliant, but can he help us understand “freak offs”? (Please?)* The Onion was once sold for $10,000?* Andy Mills, top-tier man!* Missing Twitter, pre-Elon* Do NOT type your name into BlueSky * When Katie realized she had a drinking problem* “Science may one day accomplish this, but it hasn’t done so yet”* Sarah breastfed until what age?* The Sinclair method* Fun drunk v. sleepy drunk* The tragic death of Jonathan Joss* Sarah was Katie’s AA sensitivity reader* Naltrexone, the Ozempic of booze* Sarah learns a new phrase: “pharmacological extinction”* “My life is monumentally better than when I was drinking”* AA founder Bill Wilson = weirder than you think* Writing a recovery book is a weird form of insurance* GETTING FREE* That Salon personal essay Katie can’t get off the Internet* Piled on by Milo Yiannapoulos, oh the irony* Katie is fine being cringe* RIP, William LangewiescheSo much wisdom in this podcast, but the best parts are for paid subscribers